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a new documentary re ACMTC: Army of God

The Investigation Discovery Channel and People’s magazine have partnered to create a new series about cults called People Magazine Investigates: Cults. The series premiers on June 4th and the episode regarding ACMTC (Army of God) airs on July 2nd.

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Screen Shot 2018-05-19 at 10.39.46 AMI don’t know why I agree to participate in documentaries, but for the purpose of telling on Jim and Debbie, to warn vulnerables about ACMTC, or of cults in general, or mind control. Usually when before a camera talking about ACMTC my mind goes blank or bonkers. As with the last two documentaries I explained to the producers of this one that I didn’t want to do another documentary. They persisted 3 times in calling me back, and being as it’s a subject I really care a lot about, I gave in again, this time mostly to support Julie’s story. She’s been through an incredibly lot. So has Rachel.

People Magazine Investigates: CULTS explores how destructive and terrifying cults can be to cult members and their families.  Each of the 6 one-hour episodes dives deep inside a twisted American cult, building to that pivotal moment when blind worship turns violent and even deadly.  From Jonestown to the Army of God, PEOPLE reporters are on the front lines, revealing the untold stories of power-crazed cult leaders using mind control, sex, and violence to manipulate and dominate followers. Each episode follows PEOPLE’s trusted journalists as they doggedly investigate the evolution of these cults, expose their bizarre and brutal day-to-day rituals, and speak first-hand to survivors who narrowly escaped lives of misery to put their cult nightmares finally behind them.”  DiscoveryIncTV

where things stand now

All five ACMTC members who were jailed for failure to register their children’s births are out on bail. Stacey Miller whose child died inside ACMTC is also out on bail. Remaining behind bars are the 3 who deserve being there: Deborah, Jim and Peter Green.

Stacey Miller’s trial is tentatively set for September. I’m thankful I’ve been subpoenaed. (I’ve never met Stacey, but I’m aware of the mental and spiritual chokehold Deborah has over ACMTC member regarding their children.) Peter Green’s trial is scheduled for the end of October into November. Jim’s is scheduled for late November to the 21st of December. I think all the trials will be by jury. My son Nathan and I are on the witness list for Jim’s trial. We’ve been waiting for this for 30 years! Twice I’ve had trial dates with Jim and Deborah Green, and twice they didn’t show up to their own trial! This time I know they’ll be there.  

Deborah’s trial date hasn’t been scheduled. I’ve no idea why. I’m guessing though, because Jim and Peter’s are at the end of this year, that hers won’t be until next year. I hope she doesn’t die beforehand. When Deborah was arrested Jim stated that she’s  dying. I don’t wish her more suffering, but I and many others whose lives she’s harmed have waited a long time to see her held accountable.

If you’re curious about charges and the progression of things, you can find a lot out at New Mexico Court Case Lookup.

people don’t just choose to join a cult

“Many people think a cult is just a strange religion or strange set of belief systems, but the defining factors are more the abusive things, like having rights and freedoms taken away from members, and then instilling in them an extremism, and a sense of black-and-white thinking.

People don’t go down a list of known cults, choose one and think, this is the philosophy that best suits me. The key thing to remember is that they don’t know what they’re joining — this is where coercion comes into it.

If people knew upfront what all the beliefs of the group were they would probably never join, but it’s a slow process where the inside doctrine of a group is released over time.

Tore Klevjer, former Children of God member for 11 years.

—>Source: Life in a cult: ‘Like an extreme version of domestic violence’ – RN – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Jo Thornely with Michael Beveridge, re ACMTC

Except for the sad part about 12 year old Enoch’s death, this is pretty funny.

common characteristics of cult leaders

Good article below by Randall Watters regarding characteristics common to cult leaders. Spot on regarding Jim and Lila Green. Here’s a snippet.

“Their ego and sense of self-importance swells, and they lose all accountability to anyone else. They see themselves as the only ones truly doing God’s work.

Their sense of righteousness and their simplistic black and white mentality cause them to wage war against the agents of the devil; i.e., outsiders. The followers are indoctrinated with a persecution complex and a deep sense of paranoia towards the world. They will finally only trust and obey their one leader or organizational dictates. They have a righteous cause, which tends to alleviate their own consciousness of guilt and failure, and this becomes a drug that insures their continued obedience with a fanaticism that no logic seems able to dismantle.

The Bible is written to them and about them, indeed it cannot be understood without them in mind. The cult leader practices various forms of mind control over his followers, including control of their thoughts, their emotions, and their behavior, as well as restricting what they are allowed to read or listen to.

Cult leaders keep their followers so busy that they do not have time to return to previous, more intuitive and natural ways of thinking. Such ways of thinking are now seen as worldly or “of the devil.”—>Source: Profile of a Cult Leader |

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A good example of gaslighting comes to mind from my days inside ACMTC. From the get-go when my family moved to Sacramento to join Free Love Ministries (later ACMTC), the Greens and my now ex shoved my thoughts regarding matters of my family and my children’s welfare into some god-forsaken corner, saying God’s ways were higher than my ways, that I leaned on my own understanding, and I listened to the voices of demons that I let inside my head. I needed to repent, resist the devil, and get my demons cast out.

They quoted scripture. “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” Prov. 13:24. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matt. 10;37.“

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:8-9. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.” Prov. 3:5

Lila prophesied. “I say, unto thee this day that those who will go on walking in their own understanding and desiring their own will and their own way, I say they are mockers and scoffers and they walk after their own lusts. And I say they shall not have a part in my kingdom.”

Jim taught. “This is not a mamby-pamby family church. There’s one of those on every street corner in America. I’m saying that God is sounding His battle cry, and we are called to march in obedience to Him, to lay down our lives for him as he did for us.” 

Steve bullied me. When I shared my concerns with him he’d tell me to grow up.

We were drilled to fight thoughts, feelings, and emotions that were not in sync with the Green’s teachings or preachings, burying any glimmer of awareness, or of who we really were. We learned to doubt and put aside our own “selfish, foolish” thoughts, our lifelines. We sacrificed OUR SELVES—our AUTHENTIC  selves—to be one Jim and Lila’s soldiers.

But one huge conflict—one loud thought—brewed inside my head regardless of how hard I fought, and that was: surely Jesus—loving, merciful  God and all—wouldn’t treat the children like this. 

Deborah re Jim’s 2005 arrest, when he threatened to kill her

Old news (2005), but telling. These are the paranoid leaders of the “army that sheds no blood.” As is common inside abusive cults, the Green’s attribute criticism—being held accountable—to PERSECUTION.

“I (Deborah Green) was out of the room when the violence erupted. I hadn’t seen him with such a violent temper in 35 years. I’ve never seen him erupt in such a way. In retrospect, my assumption could have been based on my fear. But I’m not living in fear of my own husband. It’s been a lack of skillful communications. I’ve made decisions of my own which are probably somewhat equal to his. It’s all because of the persecution, which has been quite a pressure for a number of years.” the Independent, Gallop, NM, 2005.  Full article—> General sense of well-being 

healing begins with honesty

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now go in shame

Screen Shot 2017-09-12 at 12.14.46 PM“Now go in shame.”—Lila Green’s words to me after declaring me forsaken by God. I was not the first to be rejected, and certainly not the last. Everyone in there at some time or another was shamed, the more favored less, the less favored more. Steve wrote his letter to me when under the spotlight of shame. My children and other’s were frequent targets of shame, and a child with a problem was a parent with a problem, somehow related to their relationship with God. Something wasn’t right with the parent. Nothing at all to do with how the child was being treated. I had “rebellion in my heart.” We were as disciplined as anyone, and we earnestly sought to please God, but some of us were less fervent, and we just never quite measured up. I saw glimmers of gas-lighting, not knowing what it was or what it was called. I questioned if this was really God. But Steve, my husband, he was Jim and Lila’s right-hand man. He too prophesied, and he had his own power.

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